Threads?

2007, May 17 - 08:38 — Cloud

kwijibo is looking for feedback on an eRDF article he's creating -
http://keithalexander.co.uk/erdf-article/ - and while looking at this I
saw that he used Forum to describe a collection of threaded posts. This
is something that is missing in SIOC, and for now I've added in a Thread
"Container" to the Types module, but if people think this should be
"upgraded" to the core SIOC terms, please post arguments here.

Here's one picture -
http://wiki.sioc-project.org/index.php/Image:Sioc_threads.png - of how
Thread could be related to Posts and Forums.

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2007, June 5 - 13:46 — Cloud

Threads?

Keith -

Now that we have sioc:Thread can you update this line:

Thanks!

John.
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2007, May 17 - 08:38 — Danny Ayers

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Call me impresseed!

On 10/04/07, John Breslin wrote:
>
> kwijibo is looking for feedback on an eRDF article he's creating -
> http://keithalexander.co.uk/erdf-article/ - and while looking at this I
> saw that he used Forum to describe a collection of threaded posts. This
> is something that is missing in SIOC, and for now I've added in a Thread
> "Container" to the Types module, but if people think this should be
> "upgraded" to the core SIOC terms, please post arguments here.
>
> Here's one picture -
> http://wiki.sioc-project.org/index.php/Image:Sioc_threads.png - of how
> Thread could be related to Posts and Forums.
>
> J.
>
> --
> Dr. John Breslin
> DERI, NUI Galway
> http://sw.deri.org/~jbreslin/
> john.breslin@deri.org
>
> >
>

http://dannyayers.com

2007, May 17 - 08:38 — Benja Fallenstein

Threads?

Hi John,

I'm confused about this: Does this add information beyond what we know
through sioc:reply_of? Or is this just an abbreviation of information
that sioc:reply_of already gives us?

Thanks,
- Benja

2007/4/10, John Breslin :
>
> kwijibo is looking for feedback on an eRDF article he's creating -
> http://keithalexander.co.uk/erdf-article/ - and while looking at this I
> saw that he used Forum to describe a collection of threaded posts. This
> is something that is missing in SIOC, and for now I've added in a Thread
> "Container" to the Types module, but if people think this should be
> "upgraded" to the core SIOC terms, please post arguments here.
>
> Here's one picture -
> http://wiki.sioc-project.org/index.php/Image:Sioc_threads.png - of how
> Thread could be related to Posts and Forums.
>
> J.
>
> --
> Dr. John Breslin
> DERI, NUI Galway
> http://sw.deri.org/~jbreslin/
> john.breslin@deri.org
>
> >
>

2007, May 17 - 08:38 — Cloud

Threads?

As Sergio mentioned, sometimes the reply structure does not exist...

In phpBB for example, there are threads with associated posts, but you
don't necessarily know that one post replies to another. You'd assume
that all posts reply to the thread starting post, but that may not be
the case either. Also, in blogs, you'd assume that comments are all
referring to the original blog post, but this may also not be the case.

You could use a Thread container to group posts on a single thread topic
and then order by dcterms:created, or just collect posts by next_by_date
/ prev_by_date...

More opinions?

John.
--
Benja Fallenstein wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I'm confused about this: Does this add information beyond what we know
> through sioc:reply_of? Or is this just an abbreviation of information
> that sioc:reply_of already gives us?
>
> Thanks,
> - Benja
>
> 2007/4/10, John Breslin :
>
>> kwijibo is looking for feedback on an eRDF article he's creating -
>> http://keithalexander.co.uk/erdf-article/ - and while looking at this I
>> saw that he used Forum to describe a collection of threaded posts. This
>> is something that is missing in SIOC, and for now I've added in a Thread
>> "Container" to the Types module, but if people think this should be
>> "upgraded" to the core SIOC terms, please post arguments here.
>>
>> Here's one picture -
>> http://wiki.sioc-project.org/index.php/Image:Sioc_threads.png - of how
>> Thread could be related to Posts and Forums.
>>
>> J.
>>
>> --
>> Dr. John Breslin
>> DERI, NUI Galway
>> http://sw.deri.org/~jbreslin/
>> john.breslin@deri.org
>>
>>
>
> >
>
>
>

--
Dr. John Breslin
DERI, NUI Galway
http://sw.deri.org/~jbreslin/
john.breslin@deri.org

2007, May 17 - 08:38 — CaptSolo

Threads?

On 4/12/07, John Breslin wrote:
>
> As Sergio mentioned, sometimes the reply structure does not exist...
>
> In phpBB for example, there are threads with associated posts, but you
> don't necessarily know that one post replies to another. You'd assume
> that all posts reply to the thread starting post, but that may not be

Thread is useful in this case (and others). Should it be included in
the SIOC ontology core?

At the same time it would be good to see examples (on a wiki page) how
Thread can be used in different scenarios. Otherwise it may not always
be clear how to use it.

For example, on boards.ie (e.g.,
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055088209 ) we would have
a sioc:Forum [General Election 2007] and a thread and some posts. How
would you model it? Does the first post (which sets a topic for a
thread) belong to this forum (sioc:has_host / host_of)? Do the other
posts in the thread belong to the forum or only to the thread? All
these questions can be solved, and need to be described for others to
use.

Related: description of "title" property used to say "Note: for a Post
within a threaded discussion that has no parents it would detail the
topic thread.". Now "title" is deprecated and we are using dc:title
instead to define title(s) of posts, forums, etc, but it can still be
good to know it had some information / assumptions about threading.

> the case either. Also, in blogs, you'd assume that comments are all
> referring to the original blog post, but this may also not be the case.

In blogs you would usually know what the user replied to. If he
pressed "comment" to this post, then (as far as the blog engine knows)
he replied to this post. If the blog has comment threading enabled you
might still say that all comments reply to the original post (that's
how it is usually modelled in blog engine's database) but would also
add information about comment threading (via sioc:has_reply between
comments).

Hmmm, how many different Threads will we have if using Thread in the
following scenario - there is one blog post and comments threaded like
this:

Post
-> C_1
-> C_1.1
-> C_1.1.1
-> C_1.2
-> C_1.3
-> C_2

[Almost Offtopic] - When saying " you'd assume that comments are all
referring to the original blog post, but this may also not be the
case." we have to consider that we can never know what the user
_thought_ he is replying to - a system can only express what it has
evidence about.

It is even more true for "@nick" in Twitter - you may think that a
user replied to the last post by person[nick] but it may not always be
true. You just don't know. In this case the maximum you know for sure
is that s/he used "@nick" in a Twitter message. (Software can make
further assumptions and, if doing so, should document these
assumptions [e.g., that it considers @nick a reply to the last
message]). [/Almost Offtopic]

Uldis

[ http://sioc-project.org/ ]

2007, May 17 - 08:38 — keith alexander

Threads?

On Apr 12, 1:23 pm, John Breslin wrote:
> As Sergio mentioned, sometimes the reply structure does not exist...
>
> In phpBB for example, there are threads with associated posts, but you
> don't necessarily know that one post replies to another. You'd assume
> that all posts reply to the thread starting post, but that may not be
> the case either. Also, in blogs, you'd assume that comments are all
> referring to the original blog post, but this may also not be the case.
>
> You could use a Thread container to group posts on a single thread topic
> and then order by dcterms:created, or just collect posts by next_by_date
> / prev_by_date...
>
> More opinions?

Hello,

I'm new to this list, and SIOC, but for what it's worth, what John
proposes makes sense to me. In addition to those Threads that don't
have a reply_of relationship to the first post, I think it would be
good to have Thread in core because:

1. It's quite an important, and basic type of structure - you get
different sub-types with their own characteristics (bb threads, ml
threads, comments threads)
2. If you don't, you risk potential users glancing at the ontology and
thinking: "SIOC doesn't have a term for Thread, I'll have to invent my
own".

Cheers,

Keith

ps: please note that the erdf article url cited in the first post is a
temporary one for the draft - not the proper 'published' version. BTW
if anyone would like to give me feedback before it is published, I'd
be glad to have it at keithalexander at keithalexander dot co dot uk

2007, May 17 - 08:38 — Wikier

Threads?

> I'm confused about this: Does this add information beyond what we know
> through sioc:reply_of? Or is this just an abbreviation of information
> that sioc:reply_of already gives us?

I thought the same..., that a thread could be composed using
sioc:has_reply and sioc:reply_of relationships (that is indeed what
Buxon does). But if we want to give one more a richer description about
thread, perhaps TDL [1] would be interesting for us.

BTW, in SWAML we had to add two properties [2] to express chronological
information between sioc:Post's, but this is another theme.

Regards,

[1] http://www.eyrie.org/~zednenem/2002/web-threads/
[2] http://swaml.berlios.de/ns/0.2#

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