SIOC's pinging service.

2006, September 2 - 17:57 — Fred

Hi guys,

I propose to develop, maintain and finance a ping server for SIOC documents. It
would be like weblogs.com but for SIOC documents.

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- People exporting SIOC documents (weblogs, web services, etc) could ping the
server.

- People importing SIOC documents (crawlers) could fetch the list of newly
updated SIOC documents and then start crawling them.

- I suggest using the XML-RPC and REST API for the communication. That way
weblogs will only have to include the server's URL into their pinging list to
start pinging it.

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That way we will have a centralized place where we will be able to fetch SIOC
data for testing/production purposes.

It will be one more tool in the SIOC toolbox (good for promotion)

We could eventually ask to pinging services like Ping-O-Matic to include the
pinging server into a "specialized pinging server section" (also good for
promotion).

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I would need your thoughts about the project. New ideas, etc.

I would need suggestions for a domain name (pingsioc.com? siocorati.com?).

Once I have that, I'll start developing it; it could be available by the
beginning of the next week.

Take care,

Salutations,

Fred

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2006, September 2 - 17:57 — CaptSolo

SIOC's pinging service.

This email from Harry Chen is both interesting and on the topic of SIOC
and ping service:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Harry Chen
Date: Aug 14, 2006 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: gartner hype curve
To: Uldis Bojars

Uldis Bojars wrote:

> Thanks for the blog post "Gartner's Hype Cycle For Emerging
> Technologies 2006". It is the first place that I found to contain a
> decent resolution charts of 2006. Most have something that is not
> readable at all. Good work. :)

Thank you!

> P.S. In the world of SIOC we will soon roll out a semantic web ping
> service - where you can inform about updates to a document and it will
> then let others (who need to know) know about it. What do you think of
> this?

Are you referring to the discussion about getting Talk Digger to ping
SIOC
Browser [1] ?

In general, I think this is a good idea. I saw in one of the messages
that
mentions Talk Digger will generate a SIOC document for each
conversation page.
If tracking web conversations and comments are what you guys are
interested, in
addition to Talk Digger, you may also consider crawling data from
coComment [2].

For example, from this URL, a program can discover all recorded
conversations
that I have participated in the past.

http://www.cocomment.com/rss2/hchen1.rss

From this URL, a program can discover all comments that I have made in
the past.

http://www.cocomment.com/myrss2/hchen1.rss

I guess it should be relatively easy to map the above formation
representation
to SIOC. Once the data in SIOC, a program can further fuse and reason
about
different relations exist between links, comments and users.

Although I'm unclear about the exact applications that will make a
strong case
for having this information, but I think experiments of this type will
be of
interest to the community. Perhaps, social networks or web-of-trust are
domains
that we can explore in the future.

- Harry

[1]
http://groups.google.com/group/sioc-dev/browse_thread/thread/c07e1165afafbab2

[2] http://www.cocomment.com/

--
Harry Chen, Ph.D.
http://harry.hchen1.com
http://geospatialsemanticweb.com

2006, September 2 - 17:57 — Fred

SIOC's pinging service.

Hi,

> This email from Harry Chen is both interesting and on the topic of
SIOC
> and ping service:

Thanks for forwarding it.

> Are you referring to the discussion about getting Talk Digger to
ping
> SIOC
> Browser [1] ?

Basically yes: a way to share Talk Digger's SIOC content with other
web services. In fact, I created the ping service so that any
services like Talk Digger (blog, etc) can share their data with any
other web service.

>
> In general, I think this is a good idea. I saw in one of the
messages
> that
> mentions Talk Digger will generate a SIOC document for each
> conversation page.
> If tracking web conversations and comments are what you guys are
> interested, in
> addition to Talk Digger, you may also consider crawling data from
> coComment [2].

Vis-a-vis Talk Digger, this is more about expliciting social networks
evolving around discussion considering that all TD users have a
complete FOAF profile.

But the idea of coComment is a good one too.

> Although I'm unclear about the exact applications that will make a
> strong case
> for having this information, but I think experiments of this type
will
> be of
> interest to the community. Perhaps, social networks or web-of-trust
are
> domains
> that we can explore in the future.

Like everybody, it is still unclear to me and as you pointed out, we
will have a much better view of the possibilities by testing the
concept.

however, after check Talk Digger (the new version) crawling URLs,
indexing relations and checking the pattern emergings, I have more
and more faith that we are on the good path with all that stuff.

It was my 2 pennies after a sleepless night.

Saluations,

Fred

2006, September 2 - 17:57 — terraces

SIOC's pinging service.

Hi,

On 8/9/06, Frederick Giasson wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I propose to develop, maintain and finance a ping server for SIOC documents. It
> would be like weblogs.com but for SIOC documents.

Thanks, that's great !

> ---
>
> - People exporting SIOC documents (weblogs, web services, etc) could ping the
> server.
>
> - People importing SIOC documents (crawlers) could fetch the list of newly
> updated SIOC documents and then start crawling them.
>
> - I suggest using the XML-RPC and REST API for the communication. That way
> weblogs will only have to include the server's URL into their pinging list to
> start pinging it.
>

You certainly already think about it, but I think:
- the list of documents sould say if the document was created or
updated. The import services should be able to guess it by looking at
their logs / store, but in case it can't it would be useful.
- keep all people's documents information (date + update/creation) in
the store, so that if I want to crawl every documents since the
begining, I sould be able to do it.
- allow the export list of documents to be restricted:
- to a list of domains
- by date
- by a set of topics (keywords at the moment, relating dc:subject or
sioc:topic labal)

>
> I would need your thoughts about the project. New ideas, etc.
>
> I would need suggestions for a domain name (pingsioc.com? siocorati.com?).
>

Regarding 'siocorati', I think this name will make users think or some
browsing / searching tools. BTW, since we're reworking on the browser,
maybe we could think of it.
It would be nice to allow every sioc-user to put his blog / forum in
such a service and be able to browse it among all sioc data.
(as I need to restrict the sources of data in my implementation since
I'm not sure my server could handle a lot, I can't allow everyone to
add his data in it).

Maybe to begin, the ping service can be hosted as a subdomain of
talkdigger or even of rdfs.org ? (BTW what about a sioc-project
domain name ? John, Uldis ?)

Best,

Alex.

> Once I have that, I'll start developing it; it could be available by the
> beginning of the next week.

> Take care,
>
>
> Salutations,
>
>
> Fred
>
>
> >
>

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