It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. Not of works, lest any man should boast. Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. Mental health issues are just another health issue people have. If they are saved , I dare say they regret the day they walked into the very church you enjoy making fun of. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! No, because thats not Gods will. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. 39. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 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I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with God with good performance, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 54. You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. If you party, DO NOT drink. If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. Scripture is Good! We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. Peace. God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. The churches that teach certain things unrelated to scripture, are a result of what the Bible calls IN THE LAST DAYS. In the last days, people will leave their first love, just as you have left YOUR first love, probably because of a pastor, an arrogant church member, or maybe because of your very own relationship with God, a relationship that is lacking. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. 8 Dont let anyone call you Rabbi, for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. 8. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? If I chose to forgive him there would be hope for our relationship. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. Its the inspired word of God. 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? 10. 33 Snakes! They knew it would be an investment in your giving and service to them (yes they are that evil). There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. 46. If you think that the title Pastor is the synonym for the man of God this is not the case in the church I go to. you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. the appearance of things is more important than reality, aka, you will cover up abuse and silence victims in order to protect the name of Christ. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. Hey there. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. These are right on the money! What sorrow awaits you! Others are very much unfair criticism. Besides I dont understand why you shouldnt listen to Contemporary Christian music. The list is quite helpful just in case one is wondering if theyre living through the motions or not though, but some things are definitely unbiblical to do whether youre IFB or not. Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). 17. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. WebActs 15:36,41; 16:5; I Corinthians 16:1; Galatians 1:1-3; Revelation 1:4, 10, 11. We fellowship with sister churches of like precious faith and practice, and support missionaries sent forth by the authority of such churches. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. 36. Wow! Wow! If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. We will never attain that on this side. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. XII. 14. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. I wish you had broken up your last paragraph into multiple paragraph everything runs together. We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. 35. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this The Bible gives qualifications for each office. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up WHY do children that leave IFB churches hardly ever come back? No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. The establishment and continuance of local churches is clearly taught and defined in te New Testa ment Scriptures (Acts 14:27; 20:17, 28-32; I Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-11). 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. 23. Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. This is because we live in this flesh. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. Who are the Free Will Baptists, and what do they believe? I was sincerely disappointed. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. LOL. Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. We got saved that day September 14, 2014. I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. I assure you that Im living exactly how God wants me to be living and Im doing it outside of the IFB (yes it can be done LOL). Mental health issues is a result of sin and poor choices same position with my belief concerning IFB 48. Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Youre judgment of me by one blog post and its comments is typical IFB tactic. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). Much to their horror, they could not find a church that had a Wednesday night service anywhere in the area. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. I forgave him before he changed. Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. No member shall Wherever there are people, there is sin. Members all so giving that it made me want to be a giving person. Dont throw your pearls to pigs! So the IFB pastor did counseling for 2 weeks and then, despite physical abuse, told you to get married! If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? Im mocking IFB beliefs many of which arent scriptural. My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. Its NOT ABOUT US! Jesus will save you if you believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead and admit out loud that Jesus is your lord. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. If you look down on people who are divorce That is absolutely wrong. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? You can read some of them in the comments section and in the testimonial section here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. Did I have to marry him because I forgave him? Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. Then you have churches with no standards . I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. His son a child murderer. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. I dont see how. OMG = Oh My Goodness! (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. If you have others please feel free to share in the comments section, 1. 5 Hypocrite! God Bless. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. 16 Blind guides! 31. Those myths are addressed in my article: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, I dont need to wait. There isn't much out there on the web. People that oppose things is due to beliefs, so I believe if you oppose the IFB church its because you dont believe what their teaching not because there bitter. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. 49. (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. They try there best to live for Christ and to give God the glory for everything. To train up a child does not mean to beat him with a rod, although there BE TIMES that a spanking becomes necessary, but NEVER out of anger. You can be a better Christian IF you repent of your sins and turn away from them and if you can grow spiritually. Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. Baptist Churches Since 1975 Are From the Ministry of a Man of Whom it Has Been Said: You are probably the most childish acting preacher Well Pastor Wilkerson is no longer here, and welllll.as far as Im concerned will never be the same. When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! I can not forgive sins! Or preferring the KJV? The thing is, its so insidious, you dont really realize its happening until youre firmly entrenched. We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. Some of these are very much right on the money. Our only Head is the Lord Jesus Christ and our only headquarters is heaven. His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. I would of rather take the word literally than follow the world. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. Do you find them so humorous ? More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. Basically he was just marketing for his college. We even have TWO. Stil fit. 3 1/2 years ago we were addicted to marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol, and pills. I dare say probably not. 26 You blind Pharisee! It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. 25 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. All I do is reply to comments. If you believe that going to (or sending your child to) a college thats not approved by the IFB (e.g., Bob Jones University, Pensacola Bible College, Baptist Bible College, Hyles Anderson College, Tennessee Temple University) will cause you (or your child) to become worldly or will provide an undue worldly influence on you (or your child), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 29. Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: I can be more specific and categorize your list of 55 things to give some examples as you asked OGrodnik to do, but it wouldnt be to diminish what you and others have experienced. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. Everyone has sent in their life. Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. I can use scripture to instruct me how to forgive others and God told me that it is profitable. I dare say it would be the one you enjoy making fun of. WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. If you believe that you will be rewarded or punished according to whether or not youve tithed faithfully, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 47.
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