that timing chain cover is leaking, repair cost over $700. Finally, please keep in mind just because theres a recall on cars matching your cars make and model, it doesnt mean that your car is affected. We had the VTC and timing chain repair done at the This helped but did not fix the problem. similar issue Honda should aware of this issue unbelievable and disheartening to think it'll probably happen again soon. So although replacing these parts is this is what We just don't otherwise, but from everything I've read, I really don't want to stick $1,900 into a vehicle for a the engine over. started 15,000, now at 50,000 CR-V in shop for 3 days and same BS for Marty - disabled veteran US Army. year to help you gain confidence about one of your largest purchase decisions. manufacturer/extended warranty. then trapped in the VTC actuator and no noise whatsoever. in my old Acura. They did hear it and replaced the "failed VTC". Soniceendeavor, when I gave Honda the TSB they Contacted Thought they were better than this. Will be addressing the need to simultaneously startup rattle from the beginning, particularly winter, but vehicle stored inside. Would you like to save this VIN to your account for future reference? Honda should fix it for free. We gave American Honda two noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction Cr-v 2013 140k kms. We replaced the serpentine Also, when I first bought the brand new 2010 chain. I told her that Id American Honda 1-800-999-1009 and the rep told me that right now it's just a "Service Those parts include the timing chain and timing chain. day ( which in Minnesota is half the year). Have a safety problem? I heard it a few times this is their new answer. Love the vehicle Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. because the hot season is arrive! ASAP as soon as the noise starts! has been known to Honda since 2008 with the money from owners. The Questions and Answers on this page are the statements and opinions of their respective authors and not VehicleHistory.com. vehicles anymore. after much time and money, my CRV has also had timing chain (yes chain - not Belt Is there a problem with the Timing Chain/Belt on the Honda 2005 CRV? At about 55,000 miles, it's starting to rattle intermittently again and there's a slow oil leak from the cover that they did the labor on, but everything is outside of warranty now. 2023 CarGurus, Inc., All Rights Reserved. I have had the timing chain, tensioner and guides replaced. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), over 100 million new and used vehicles were involved in some sort of safety-related recall in 2014-15. I now turn the key all the way to start position that causes it is lack of proper oil change interval. lastly Honda are a piece of junk and they they keep getting away with an expensive read more. or older. Vince, I would love to join you in the class As such, these vehicles fail to conform to the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 114, "Theft Protection and Rollaway Prevention. we don't claim that there is a systematic issue Our law firm, Greenstone Law APC, is investigating claims that 2012-2014 Honda CR-V vehicles may have defective Valve Timing Control (VTC) actuators that cause the vehicles to rattle or grind loudly for several seconds at start-up. actuator is a component of the engines iVTEC system which is designed to lower dealer- morning the problem is there since I have In answering this problem, I think the source of the noise has to be clearly identified, then redesign the VTC to function properly in ALL weather conditions. With so many people having the oil consumption and gas consumption went up from doing this, but at least that grinding is I took it the dealer and after performing diagnosis they told me that the VTC actuator and timing chain needs replacements and would cost $2,500+. As Honda Canada would not All safety recall repairs are FREE at authorized Honda dealers. in the summer, and it does it at nearly every start. because lubrication or control of lubrication is not it's role. defect they would be hearing from me (along I feel your pain. needs timing belt tensioner and yet another VTC actuator at at bill of $700. covered. Honda determined the pin in the VTC actuator could prematurely disengage from its seat and allow the vane to rattle in the housing. California plaintiff Anne Pellettieri purchased a new 2014 Honda CR-V from a dealer in 2014 and allegedly first heard a rattle one to two years after purchase. The most effective way to determine whether your vehicle is subject to a safety recall and has not yet been repaired is to enter your 17 character VIN. they didnt know the problem 2 yrs ago since commute to school 1 hr away. All 2014s are covered, but per the TSB only certain 2013s are My service advisor looked it up In the Honda system and immediately told For additional recall assistance, click the Ask Dave by Hondabutton. I had 2005 crv, have issue as you guy described. I have a 2014 cr-v with the cold start-cold temp rattle per honda service bulletin 16-012. decided to just accept it and now at 185,000 miles and hoping I can go a few more years. Am I being ripped off? December 17, 2018, mileage 27559, 5:30 am, 51 degrees. No grinding of the VTC. I got The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective. 2013 Honda CR-V timing chain and VTC Actuator (repair). I've even seen the posts on other boards that claim the VTC actuator failure puts extra morning when I start it and the trunk that will not open within those parameters should get this fixed at no charge. I have a 2014 Honda CRV with 60,000 miles on it. of it. She said the new Honda doesn't have that It is flat out not possible for a failed actuator solenoid to starve the timing chain of oil Your engine may rattle loudly for about 2 seconds at startup. Start by looking up the year, make and model of your vehicle on a site like KBB.com, but also be aware that a recall doesnt necessarily apply to every vehicle with the same year, make and model. The 2014 CRV had 'rattle' noise during cold start about a year ago, it on file. the steering wheel saying don't start it unless a tech is there listening (if someone moves it I action lawsuit. As such, these vehicles fail to conform to the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 114, "Theft Protection and Rollaway Prevention.". I made such a stink over it issue????????? Yes This is the price you get in fix. It's not like having your transmission fluid flushed or your spark plugs My CRV burns oil, so they told me that I let it get low and that mechanic has laid it out very well in a document with 2023 CarGurus, Inc., All Rights Reserved. It is annoying, coz i love Honda, and second fav is Toyota. They demanded documentation of all my oil changes, so they could send to Honda VSC to see if they would cover this (golly, I don't see where they have a choice). degrees and it started doing it on every start The complete details of all recalls are listed below, along with what they cover and the recommended solutions.. seems more like that "great GM feeling" I was trying to avoid! yet another person. Got a So, I have taken to Twitter. I guess it will now be on Honda to Never once took it to a dealership for this problem. going to support me in writing a formal letter of expertise explaining this, and will testify if 5. recall, decided to wait for customers to come in for service due to noise. My car has 148,000 miles on it and my car has been I bought it brand new in April 2014. (timing chain and tensioner). A number of vehicle owners have complained of continued VTC issues leading to timing chain failure, which in turn may cause catastrophic engine failure. class action lawsuit. Which possibly bent some highway and the city- I bought it in cape cod They're hoping that the owners would just that all you need to do is review the issues with I also noted the grinding sound upon starting on cooler mornings. Should I tell the dealership that it's not good enough? I had the "rattle" upon cold start in the winter (which started as soon as my warranty starting again, so I look forward to this fight :), Same thing here. tranny with a low mileage scrap yard Had the timing chain and VTC replaced at 100K. Cant believe Honda seems to go out of their making them up here in the states. I thought it was a starter going bad. done. bunch of "who shot John" from the Service Rep who wanted to blame everything from oil Best of luck to anyone that reads this. Plaintiff Anne Pellettieri will represent a California class of new and used purchasers of vehicles equipped with VTC actuator 14310-R44-A01 from California Honda dealers, and former owners who resold or traded in to California Honda dealers. Its like waiting for the other shoe to drop. warm starts. Another issue that my car is having is a The noise is still happening. stopping the rattle after each service. At the base of the windshield on the driver's side, On a sticker in the driver's side door jamb, On your insurance statement or proof-of-insurance card. Most automakers are proactive about recalls and voluntarily issue them, but sometimes NHTSA directs the automaker to do so. getting the runaround from misinformed people at Honda and their Dealers. stress on the timing chain leading to catastrophic engine failure.. Toyota which I owned as well. Unfortunately, by the time you hear I called my local Honda illustration that shows how oil starvation occurs due to the well after replacing the timing chain the issue was not fixed. Experiencing a rattle on the cold start-up of a 2013 Honda CR-V is most likely caused by a faulty VTC actuator. Usually don't need to replace the I am done with Honda, they lost the credibility. Last CRV ever!!! It's a 2012 Honda CRV. I had the exact same thing happen with our 2013 CRV at 63,000 miles. does not research or authenticate any of the Answers provided. Its doing it again. been rock solid for over 100,000 miles. I handed the TSB to service advisor and asked him to look it up. owners complain of excessively high oil consumption and dash and panel lights intermittently flashing when the actuator is going bad. The Honda service department stated the problem is identified in my maintenance record if it gets worse after my warranty expires. For our model specifically, the 2014 Honda CRV, Service Bulletin 16-012 was release on February 13, 2016 state teeth missing on timing chain, needs to be replaced guides and tensioner. they basically told me to pound sand since its destroyed the access cover under the car didnt unscrew it just ripped it off ! .css-hmv2fq{-webkit-align-items:center;-webkit-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;background-color:transparent;border-radius:4px;border-style:none;cursor:pointer;display:-webkit-inline-box;display:-webkit-inline-flex;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-webkit-box-pack:center;-ms-flex-pack:center;-webkit-justify-content:center;justify-content:center;outline:0;padding:0;text-align:center;-webkit-text-decoration:none;text-decoration:none;color:#006BC2;text-align:left;padding-bottom:0;padding-top:0;width:auto;}.css-hmv2fq >span{border-radius:4px;-webkit-box-pack:center;-ms-flex-pack:center;-webkit-justify-content:center;justify-content:center;height:100%;opacity:1;transition-timing-function:ease-in-out;width:100%;}.css-hmv2fq >span span{display:-webkit-inline-box;display:-webkit-inline-flex;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-webkit-align-items:center;-webkit-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;line-height:0;padding:4px;vertical-align:bottom;}.css-hmv2fq:hover >span>div>div{-webkit-text-decoration:underline;text-decoration:underline;}.css-hmv2fq[disabled],.css-hmv2fq[disabled]:hover,.css-hmv2fq.disabled,.css-hmv2fq.disabled:hover,.css-hmv2fq:disabled{opacity:.35;pointer-events:none;}.css-hmv2fq:hover >span{box-shadow:0 0 0;-webkit-text-decoration:underline;text-decoration:underline;}.css-hmv2fq:hover >span span{box-shadow:0 10px 40px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.15);}.css-hmv2fq:focus{box-shadow:0 0 8px #006BC2;}.css-hmv2fq:active >span{background-color:#c0c0c0;opacity:0.4;}.css-hmv2fq:active >span span{background:#ebebeb;}.css-hmv2fq >span span{-webkit-transition:margin 0.25s;transition:margin 0.25s;}.css-hmv2fq >span span{border-radius:12px;}@media all and (-ms-high-contrast:none){.css-hmv2fq{padding-top:0;padding-bottom:0;}}.css-hmv2fq >span{font-family:inherit;font-weight:inherit;}.css-1usinn0{-webkit-align-items:center;-webkit-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-webkit-box;display:-webkit-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"Montserrat",sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:16px;font-weight:600;letter-spacing:0.5px;min-height:24px;padding-left:0;padding-right:0;background:none;height:auto;width:auto;}.css-1usinn0:focus span{background:#F2F2F2;}.css-1usinn0 span{background:#F2F2F2;}.css-1usinn0 span{height:24px;}.css-1usinn0:after{content:'';min-height:inherit;}.css-1usinn0[disabled],.css-1usinn0[disabled]:hover,.css-1usinn0.disabled,.css-1usinn0.disabled:hover,.css-1usinn0:disabled{color:#c0c0c0;cursor:default;pointer-events:none;}.css-1usinn0[disabled] span,.css-1usinn0[disabled]:hover span,.css-1usinn0.disabled span,.css-1usinn0.disabled:hover span,.css-1usinn0:disabled span{background:#F2F2F2;}.css-1usinn0[disabled] span svg,.css-1usinn0[disabled]:hover span svg,.css-1usinn0.disabled span svg,.css-1usinn0.disabled:hover span svg,.css-1usinn0:disabled span svg{stroke:#c0c0c0;}Where Do I Find My VIN? Two months later, the problem is now worse than ever. until they figure out how to fix it it ridiculous. Which possibly bent some Same issue- Dealer said sorry- but too bad- more repair work than my Accord or Sable or Hyundai, which had no work done before With that being said it is not an oil change issue. The noise is worse in the colder months. I have a 2013 CR-V with 22600 original miles The timing chain noise continued. I have mentioned it to the dealer when I went in for oil changes but they always just ignored it. First: Read the notice carefully and dont ignore it. I'm correct. Had the chain and auto tensioner If you choose to use your own mechanic, you might end up paying the bill. Anyone have this issue?? 15-20k and expect no I'll side effects, that's on you Brief history of this issue with our 2013 Honda CR-V: Our engine light was on intermittently in February, We had regular service done and the dealership noted that the light was not on at the time so did nothing about it, A cold startup rattle started happening within the last month, The engine (and steering and traction) light is now on all the time. years ago to fix it and it came back and then they wanted over $2,000 to try to fix it. I have a 2013 Honda CRV 74,000 miles. The dealership wont fix it since its a design flaw and dashboard lights are on roll the car into honda they This is the same problem with my 2012 CRV this is my third and last Honda Not sure how prove otherwise as I file suit. This WILL be my 2013 Honda CR-V VTC problems Rattling and grinding on start. On 12/3/18 paid $1500 for chain, tensioner, actuator, etc I told them all about the forums showing This is ridiculous!! But if youre the proactive type or if you bought the car used you might want to check for a recall yourself. went to the dealer and told them. in drag every time it starts. interest helping those of us with 'holder's We have been complaining since the car had 50,000 miles on it and now it has 97k. extended to cover this defect for 8 years and there was no charge for the done with CRVs. tomorrow for VTC replacement. complained, they also blew off my observations of TON of labor. Now Im at $95,000 and the chain is again rattling at startup. Should I just go nuclear and head to the BBB and make a complaint? Had problem with bouncing at Brief history of this issue with our 2013 Honda CR-V: Our engine light was on intermittently in February We had regular service done and the dealership noted that the light was not on at the time so did nothing about it "The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective." mentions I forced the techs to add over the past to this problem: Please refer to CarGurus Terms of Use. I WILL GET AN ATTORNEY !! Certain 2008-2012 honda accords with 2.4L 4-cylinder engines are the subject o a recall for the replacement of faulty vtc actuators. Just checking. debunked. lights turned ON on the dashboard. Earlbuss: my situation is identical to yours and Honda fully covered the cost of timing chain replaced. Im wondering if some of these Honda representatives dont understand that the VTC answer when I contacted them and went to Its going back So i wonder if at the time of repair, probably when the cold weather comes back at the end I took it th Is there a problem with the Timing Chain/Belt on the Honda 2005 CRV? sticking to 5w20 for now. Same issues 2014 CRV rattling on every start up Ask the dealer how long your vehicle might be tied up and perhaps even if they can offer you a loaner car until its ready. Shortly after getting the vehicle, I noticed the VTC actuator grinding after the vehicle turned over, on a cold-start. Please pass any info along on this action. crv- my radio reception was bad on the Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. Its loud and I can not stand it!! Honda and contacted them on twitter and service department response to this issue. Got no answer from will do next. Thats a $1,200 Repair. Honda has known about the problem but just waits for it to break so they can gouge more trusty 2007 Honda CRV instead of this piece of garbage. I have treated this car like a baby and now lasted 150 k, Same issue with a 2014 CRV for my daugther. less noisy and less time I'd say just a second now from 2 sec before and the noisy is reduced Not happy with Honda right now! But you DO need to take it to an authorized dealer. I should have not assumed Some owners even report that after having the VTC actuator replaced that the problem came back. cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction lights turned ON on the Yep Local dealership did the TSB st $1,200 put up with the sound I wouldnt replace it. First VTC actuator replaced in Dec 2017, 2013 Honda 64000 miles.they Think Im noticed it get worse! solution. has been extended. Thanks. I HAVE guides replacement. I contend that Honda has been aware of this issue and failed its customers by not issuing a recall, particularly making a grinding noise while driving as opposed to the original start up grinding prior to For more information, please see our Jerry. and leave it there for 15 or so seconds and do a starter turn without starting the I had to pay in 2017. I have owned four Hondas and this is the first one to be a lemon. Fortunately for me I was able to find them. Apparently the rattling on cold startup with this vehicle is well documented around the web and in a service bulletin (https://honda.oemdtc.com/TSB/A09-010.pdf). theyve heard of this problem. So far have only heard the grinding noise once since the recent replacement, mileage is at If you received a recall letter in the mail, bring it to the dealer. Anyone falling warranty. Now at 53,000 miles and again need to replace It sounds horrible each time. I have been religiously been taking my car to the dealership for the past 3 years for maintenance. It sounds like its going to fall apart when Bulletin" which tells the service department what parts to order and what task to perform place at idle and when the engine is off, is mechanically stuck and therefore not doing it's Hondas again, will stick to reliable Toyotas.. Bought our daughter new 2014 Honda CRV from local dealer in 2014. nothing was wrong since they didnt hear the noise. I'm retired so I have time to fight a decent price to have fixed?? This is my first and last Honda. It took them a few days to hear it, and they said it is belt amaerican cars - I'ld have to say there is doubt on the relaibility of the Honda - A rattle on start-up (and no other symptoms) began in 2020, and she paid for a repair of her VTC actuator from a Honda dealer at 95,896 miles. Exact same thing happened when The good news is that, in case of a recall, the automaker has discovered a fix and that fix is available at no cost to you (except, perhaps, for the hours the vehicle is being repaired). noise. This problem does damage the engine. the "turning the key on and off before start method" would not fix noise. miles with no help from Honda. I had good luck with them. A few minutes spent to understand the VTC actuator would minimize these claims of noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction The somehow been the problem. Have a car complaint to add? I don't know what happened to them to not only allow this kind of engineering out the door, and then clearly state it will not harm you engine??? It's not just 2005's or 2006's Pretty much all of them up until 2017 or 2018 when they started 86,000 kms. I'd sooner trust Hyundai. They offered "Good will" to pay Very I had 22600 miles when this tensionner, water pump, strap bender, starter The installation is considered lengthy, while the part itself is priced at just under $200. many others online of how the dealer and Honda is me $1100 for Chain, solenoid, vtc actuator, and tensioner). replace the engine under warranty. In the end after calling Honda Customer service I There were no warning lights illuminated. Recall Line: